NHL vs USA Hockey Rules

[docar15]

During the yellow vs white game this Sunday there seemed to be alot of static when the ref called a minor after a diving puck take attempt.
I wanted to clarify that there is a very clear difference when it comes to clipping in USA Hockey vs NHL Rule Books:

NHL Rule #57.1 – Tripping: “If, in the opinion of the Referee, a player makes contact with the puck first and subsequently trips the opponent in so doing, no penalty shall be assessed.”
USA Hockey Rule #639 – Tripping: “…Any player who deliberately leaves his feet and contacts an opponent with any part of his body thereby causing the opponent to trip or fall shall be assessed a minor penalty.”

To sum, the ref was right. Stop calling him.

[TimJohnson]

do we really need to bring the rulebook into play in our games? I mean c'mon! Why start now?

[docar15]

Really? You are paying the refs to know what they are doing. Ref made a right call. Did not stop people from running their mouths at him afterwards.

[TimJohnson]

You actually bring up a good point. Let's stop paying the refs. I pretty much see the money that they get paid, is for having to put up with the abuse that they get. Most of the time it doesn't matter if the call is correct or not.

As far as diving, I am one of the most even keeled people when it comes to calls in sports and I will pregnant dog whenever I see a dive by the penguins. Aside from Matt Cooke, I haven't seen much lately. Everyone wants to dog Crosby because of his first year in the league. If you wanna talk hockey though I am game. I watch tons of games. Who do you root for? I'm sure I can come up for some ignorant comment about them

[docar15]

I took the diving part out of my original response. No need to turn this into a fan club meeting. They won last year and let's hope this was a much deserved shot in the arm that people of Titsburgh needed with factorries shutting down and all.
I have been a wingnut since coming here some 20+ years ago. CSKA born and raised before than. My wife and son like the Caps.
Personally though, I much prefer playing hockey over watching it.

[TimJohnson]

it's no fun if you modify your post. I just like talking smack. It's all in good fun. Plus anyone who comes here to talk about reffing and rules is just asking for trouble.

[docar15]

OK then, Sid Crosby is a biggest cry baby; how many people who play don't know the rules of the game; how many have either never played full contact or got spoiled by the no-check hockey; if a former triple-A player scores all the goals for his/her team in more than one game, to even things out an old fart(s) should be allowed at least one hit/check on that person;

How is that for an opinion :-)?

[TimJohnson]

Crosby whined too much the first year or 2. That isn't so anymore. One thing I do see about many players in the NHL is they go gripe to the ref's when something doesn't go their way. The only difference is everyone hates Crosby regardless of what his actions are these days. I actually get a lot more pissed at Malkin than I do Crosby. You hit Malkin too hard and he will take a penalty everytime. At least Crosby will skate away. It's all good though. I can guarantee that you put Crosby on any other team and the fans who hated him would be out buying his jersey the next day. It's easy to hate the best player that isn't on your team. I personally dislike Ovechkin. But it's because he is too d**n good, but I would never boo him or talk crap about him. You watch Crosby on a daily basis and stay off of youtube and your view of him would change quite a bit if you actually gave him a chance.

Many people in the OHL don't have a clue about half of the rules, but that includes the refs. When is the last time you saw a ref call a hook or a hold? Those are legitimate rules in every hockey rule book that rarely get called. What happens in this league is you have players who are C level players playing against high B or A players and all they can do to keep up is hook or hold. It's still a rule though and if you have the rule then it should be called.

I would love to be able to hip check people but that just isn't good for going to work in the morning. If our league had hip checks then "former triple-A player" would have to keep their head up which never happens in the OHL. It's all good, I like playing against the really good player because that 1 in 3 chance that I stop them makes it worth the 2 goals I gave up before that.

[stacey13]

docar15 could you clarify which penalty you are talking about in the white vs. yellow game? Who was involved and what was the complaint?

[John M]

As a somewhat impartial observer I believe Crosby is steadily getting more fans and respect. I have not been a Crosby fan (or Pens) yet I am hearing more and more positive about him.

Diving across the crease to pull a puck off the goal line is the kind of hustle even the haters can appreciate.

Getting back to the D zone every time, taking the defensive responsibility seriously while racking up the points, starts to grow on the haters.

Last game of the season, sitting at 51 Goals in OT. Everyone wants Sid to hang at the blue for the break out and the "Maurice Richard Trophy" and where is Sid? Digging in the corner in his defensive end. Doesn't he know he's supposed to be selfish? What is he thinking playing aggressive D in OT with the goal title on the line?

Maybe I'm becoming a fan.

I was a big Ovie fan, however the hits are getting harder to ignore. Or the "I'll play two way hockey when I feel like it" attitude.
www.complex.com/blogs/2010/03/15/cheap-shot-artist-alexander-ovechkins-dirtiest-hits/

(now back to your previous discussion about ref's)

[StrifeValeric]

Apr 20, 2010 12:41:44 GMT -6 stacey13 said:

docar15 could you clarify which penalty you are talking about in the white vs. yellow game? Who was involved and what was the complaint?

The 2 tripping penalties where players on white left their feet to trip players on yellow. Diving for the puck head or feet first and tripping someone is a penalty, but the offending player(s) in at least one of the occasions, didn't like the call and made himself vocal in his disapproval. No reason to name names or anything like that... especially since it was over a week ago and I'm sure nobody really cares anymore.

[stacey13]

I was asking on behalf of my husband who was one of those tripping penalties and did NOT call out the ref's. I couldn't remember if there was another tripping penalty or not, that was the reason for asking. docar15 did not post this until Friday of last week, which was 5 days after the incident, and I did not see it until yesterday, hence the late response. If he wants to call people out and tell them to leave the ref's alone then maybe he should have privately told that person instead of posting it here where it could be misconstrued that it was someone else.

[StrifeValeric]

Apr 21, 2010 8:12:39 GMT -6 stacey13 said:

I was asking on behalf of my husband who was one of those tripping penalties and did NOT call out the ref's. I couldn't remember if there was another tripping penalty or not, that was the reason for asking. docar15 did not post this until Friday of last week, which was 5 days after the incident, and I did not see it until yesterday, hence the late response. If he wants to call people out and tell them to leave the ref's alone then maybe he should have privately told that person instead of posting it here where it could be misconstrued that it was someone else.

The name started with an R

[stacey13]

I am assuming you are trying to be funny, and am going to leave it at that.

Whoever docar15 is, I still think this comment was handled inappropriately and should have been spoken directly to whoever this was meant for. If you were referring to Rob and his penalty when he dove for the puck, yes he yelled on the way to the box but that is where it was left, on the ice like it should have been. I have heard just about everyone in the OHL gripe on the way to the box and while they were in the box. If it was not meant for him, then once again, if there is a problem speak to that person directly and don't put it on the message board to be misconstrued. The way the post was written it makes it seem like the person was stalking the ref.
"To sum, the ref was right. Stop calling him. " Really? Who in their right mind would call a ref to gripe about a call.

This is all I have to say and won't respond again considering this is doing nothing but pissing off me and Rob. A simple answer the first time I asked would have sufficed.

[docar15]

Stacey,
Sorry, I don't know the name of the person, who took the penalty, nor do I remember a jersey number. My post was intended to show the difference between NHL and USA Hockey rule books (more for myself really) and to confirm OHL plays under USA hockey and OHL league rules. That is all and that is why it came a few days afterwards. Under NHL rule, the penalty would have been wrong.
No offense was meant.
Again, I am not good with names, but I will remember a face.

As for the Crosby fan club, he is just too good of a player not to hate :-). That dodgeball is one of the few good ones left that can almost single handedly change the outcome of a game. I would like to know how he keeps so composed.

Ovechkin's hits are getting less and less media friendly, can't argue there. It is nothing new though. Remember when Claud Lemeux split Chris Draper's face in half few years ago? In Denver he was a hero, in Detroit there was money on his head...